[贴图]双胞胎我收到了还挺值

huangheyy · 发表于 2007-12-8 08:50

两盒一起加运费才700多？不可能吧

hj64201 · 发表于 2007-12-8 09:30

这款有一个错误就是那枪.BAR,从兵人伞兵着装上看是D-DAY时期的.根据温爷回忆当时1919、兰兰和卡宾都是放腿袋里跳汤汤是挂胸前的，唯独没有提到BAR啊？
在诺曼底的时候BAR 好像配给机降部队,,但是伞兵没有配备,虽然BAR可由单兵携行行进间射击，进行突击作战，压制敌方火力，为己方提供火力支援。但是由于它的重量（重7.5公斤）不方便携行，并且发射大威力步枪弹的后坐力使全自动射击时难于控制精度。看<兄弟连>从头到底就没有出现过BAR的影子.我相信BOB的考证应该很仔细的.

自由之子 · 发表于 2007-12-8 09:32

你就爽咯.............[em01]

hj64201 · 发表于 2007-12-8 09:38

从诺底战役后就可以装备伞兵，但好象也不有提到运用于空降．如＜兄弟连＞下图：

第4集-Replacements中,28分6秒就出现手持BAR的下士(属Randleman-"Bull"的班组)
哪位兄弟帮翻译一下面的Ｅ文：
The B.A.R. was considered too akward to jump with, due to its weight and size. It also wasn't listed on the Parachute Infantry Regiment TO&E of February 1944.Used them, perhaps?There were B.A.R.'s used by the Glider infantry, who came in by glider or by landingcraft and were more kitted out likeregular infantry. Also, there may have been some B.A.R.'s dropped in equipment bundles but there is no photographic evidence to acknowledge this, nor the use of the B.A.R. by 101st airborne paratroopers during de opening stages of the Normandy invasion. There are some accounts of 101st troopers clearly stating they either found B.A.R.'s in equipmentbundles or crashed gliders, or traded/got them from 'leg' glidermen. Some of these acounts take place as early in the campaign as D-night.

So,
During the jump - NO (certainly not on their person!)
During the initial battles - POSSIBLE
During the Normandy campaign - POSSIBLE


The 82nd airborne?
Yes, there is photographic evidence of 82nd troopers with BAR's in Normandy, and there is the debriefing tranＳＣＲＩＰＴ in which Col. Ekman, CO 505th PIR, tells they did "jump" with some BAR's. The tranＳＣＲＩＰＴ tells of the wish of Col. Ekman,CO 505th PIR/82nd AB to, in retrospect, be equipped with BAR's in LEGBAGS rather than the M1919A4 (or A6, which isunlikely but debateable, as is the use of the new bazooka during Normandy, but that's another issue entirely) which indeed a (heavy) weapons platoon, as Col. Ekman puts it, would have jumped with on their person:


Colonel Ekman continues--I think it is better to use BAR's in leg packs in place of machine guns during the actualdrop. You can move out with BAR's in place of machine guns and come back later for the guns which would be droppedin bundles. "A" Company was delayed in moving out as they couldn't find their bundles immediately.

So, he was saying to merely switch BAR in equipment bundles with MG in legbags, for the next combat jump. It is therefore, IMHO, safe to assume that still troopers didnt jump on D-night with BARs on their persons. Or atleast sofar - the text goes further:
"The weapons section we had contained machine guns in the squad, we jumped with some BAR'S, but would like toreplace the machine guns with BAR'S, because looking for the machine guns holds us back at first.
"So what is he saying? He isnt saying they jumped with BAR on their person. It is known that someheavy weapons sections, or atleast in the 82nd, could have jumped with BARs. Debateable, however, most likelyin equipment bundles! A fact that can be found in the aforementioned section of text stated above.

Furthermore, when looking at the Airborne TO&E dating February 1944, the TO&E still in use by D-Day, the only listing for issued BAR is 42 units to the Glider Infantry Regiment of a A/B division, 8 to the QM Company of the particular division. It states a total of 92 units, including stockpile. The PIR simply didnt get issued any BARs.Like I said, there is some photographic evidence of 82nd troopers using BARs on/after D-Day, but not one photograph of troopers gearing up or loading on the C47, either of the 82nd or the 101st for that matter.